Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/09/12

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Terror
From: Mark Rabiner <mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:22:45 -0700
References: <B7C526C5.2D51%john@pinkheadedbug.com>

Johnny Deadman wrote:
> 
> on 9/12/01 2:13 PM, Austin Franklin at darkroom@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> >> and further realize that we
> >> (United States) have also annihilated tens of thousands of
> >> civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >
> > I can't imagine for the life of me what your point was in making "this kind"
> > of statement.
> 
> presumably that there are plenty of precedents for the mass killing of
> civilians in the pursuit of a specific geopolitical goal, whatever you think
> of the goal itself. clearly the scene the morning after Nagasaki must have
> been quite beyond anything we have seen on CNN in the last 24 hrs, even if
> they are  both beyond the scope of human contemplation.
> 
> My point is that f you think the goal was good and that the means were
> proportionate to the ends, you are unlikely to classify either act as
> terrorism. If you disagree with the goal or you consider the act
> disproportionate you may classify either act as terrorism.
> 
> like it or not there are many people, not just Bin Laden's followers, who
> consider the WTC bombing just act, just as many millions of Americans
> consider Hiroshima a just act, just as many Britons consider the bombing of
> Dresden was a just act, just as many Germans consider the Blitz and the
> bombing of Coventry a just act. Probably Herod thought the slaughter of the
> infants was justified. Pol Pot had plenty of arguments for the terror in
> Cambodia. The Chatila (?sp) camps in the mid-east? My Lai? The arguments
> rage. I am not trying to equate all these ghastly events but simply point
> out that there is no universal agreement about what constitutes a
> justifiable act of war and what is an act of terrorism.
> 
> which is why again I think we should drop the rhetoric of terrorism and
> adopt the rhetoric of warfare, which seems ten times clearer to me whichever
> side you are on.
> 
> --
> John Brownlow
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

Johnny i think that logicians or whoever would call what you are doing here as
"Blurring the argument"
Lets take right and wrong, put them together and add the Gaussian filter until
we don't see nothing!


Mark Rabiner

Portland, Oregon
USA

http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/

In reply to: Message from Johnny Deadman <john@pinkheadedbug.com> (Re: [Leica] Terror)