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Subject: [Leica] It's your choice!
From: imra at iol.ie (Douglas Barry)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 16:22:43 +0100
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Peter,
I saw that from the map https://maps.app.goo.gl/jt55V2ypQNcG1UE69

I had been watching "Saving Lives at Sea" on the Beeb a couple of nights 
before with she who must be obeyed. She likes these sorts of things 
where dramas become crises. She's especially interested in anything 
involving water. As for myself and my sons, we all sailed, but my wife 
was never a fan of anything that wasn't solid underneath her. Even 
getting into a small boat was a challenge, let alone when I had her out 
in one and the weather changed. Choppy waters and a gusty wind quite 
unnerve her.

She now seems to like watching this programme probably to pick up hints 
and tips, lest I suddenly get an urge to go out and buy another boat. 
Like motorbikes and skydiving, that's not going to happen. However, I 
was curious about one particular rescue which featured in Langstone 
Harbour, and had to look it up on the map. I saw it was adjacent to 
Portsmouth from which I have taken ferries to France a few times. So l 
also noticed Bosham on the map.

Then, almost immediately, you gave us the Bosham Conundrum. My main 
focus was the cantilevered shoreline which I just found pulled my eye to 
it all the time. Hence I was only focused on that and not on the shadows 
or how it might be developed.

Like my boating history which now consists of a couple of life jackets, 
an anchor, two oars and a needle in my garage (if they're still there, 
children you know?), my developing and printing history is in an 
adjacent room attached to the garage. I have an enlarger, multiple 
baths, chemicals, timers, forceps, pegs, etc all neatly piled for the 
past 15 years since I moved here. The only things that are missing 
there, are my resolve and motivation to use them. Mind you, I might find 
those again yet.

I would certainly bow to Jayanand's more recent and extensive experience 
of printing. I hesitate to offer my fourpence worth of rapidly 
disappearing knowledge on the art of developing and printing. The only 
dipping I do these days is go for a swim. In fact I?m about to have one 
now!

Douglas

On 16/08/2025 09:48, Peter Dzwig wrote:
> The shoreline is a bit of a pain. In part it's an optical illusion; 
> the shoreline turns rapidly west where we were looking (if we are 
> focussing on the same part).
>
> As I said, this is my interpretation of what others at the workshop 
> were suggesting; they definitely aren't their crops. I did think about 
> cropping out the shoreline completely in an extreme version of the 
> original, but didn't like the result at all. It became almost too 
> abstract.
>
> BTW do you see the same effect as Jayanand in my images (see his 
> mail). On my screen they look fine.
>
> Anyway, thanks for looking and for your comments and the revised version.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> On 15/08/2025 21:25, Douglas Barry wrote:
>> Interesting, Peter, but the slightly off kilter opposite shoreline 
>> just kept pulling my eye. It distracted me. I played around with it, 
>> as enclosed. I would have posted it, but the LUG decided it didn't 
>> want me to log on.
>>
>> Douglas
>>
>> On 15/08/2025 19:48, Peter Dzwig wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> This post is all about different photographer's perception of images.
>>>
>>> I went along to a PermaJet printing workshop today. I took this 
>>> along to be printed
>>>
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/Bosham_2025/ 
>>> Bosham_Piles_2.jpg.html>
>>>
>>> This corresponds to my original vision.
>>>
>>> Several of us got into a discussion about "hidden images". Square 
>>> cropping was the most discussed.
>>>
>>> The pictures below are *my* interpretation of people's suggestions, 
>>> all of which reveal slightly different (hidden) images. The original 
>>> suggestions were cropped with bits of paper around the PJ print.
>>>
>>> The first square crop is the basic hidden image:
>>>
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/Bosham_2025/ 
>>> Bosham_Piles_2_Cropped_Square_1.jpg.html>
>>>
>>> Second variation - a tighter crop:
>>>
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/Bosham_2025/ 
>>> Bosham_Piles_2_Cropped_Square_2.jpg.html>
>>>
>>> thirdly, still tighter:
>>>
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/PeterDzwig/Bosham_2025/ 
>>> Bosham_Piles_2_Cropped_Square_3.jpg.html>
>>>
>>> I liked the original very much, the original crop was a revelation. 
>>> The others almost show further hidden images.
>>>
>>> What do you think? Would you do something else, or nothing beyond 
>>> the original.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking and as ever your C&Cs are much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Peter
>


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