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Subject: [Leica] What's the Best All-Around 50?
From: bdcolen at comcast.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Fri May 12 16:11:24 2006

Absolutely.


On 5/12/06 6:47 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:

> So, if I understand this correctly, in the past image manipulation
> was better accepted?
> 
> 
> Op 13-mei-06, om 00:06 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> No, their weren't. It's wild to go through picture libraries at
>> places such
>> as the Wash Post or Nyt and see what the "art" department did
>> photos. But
>> with the advent of digital, and the realization of how radically, and
>> easily, reality can be altered, standard have become much more
>> stringent.
>> 
>> ...... Original Message .......
>> On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:48:37 +0200 Philippe Orlent
>> <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:
>>> Every photographer should have been at least once in his life in a
>>> real darkroom, even if only to look at somebody else doing
>>> everything. I agree with you completely, B.D.
>>> But I wonder, since not having it lived consciously myself, were
>>> there similar discussions about truth -with even simple darkroom
>>> techniques such as dodging and burning- back then, too?
>>> If applied masterfully, they can change the content or perception of
>>> a photograph as thoroughly as PS does nowadays.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 23:28 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>>> It doesn't just apply to journalism though - it's beginning to be a
>>>> lost
>>>> reference point for all photography. The average kid today may
>>>> never have
>>>> been in a darkroom. Think about it - what the hell do "burn" and
>>>> "dodge"
>>>> mean - on the PS tools - if you've never done real darkroom
>>>> work? :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/12/06 1:38 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree. If it's about journalism.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> You think you're joking, Philippe - just a couple of hours ago
>>>>>> I was
>>>>>> skimming a column in a national press photographer's association
>>>>>> magazine in
>>>>>> which a photography teacher at, as I recall, the University of
>>>>>> Arkansas said
>>>>>> that they are now two years past the last class of graduates to
>>>>>> have ever
>>>>>> spent time in a real darkroom. And that, he said, begins to raise
>>>>>> havoc with
>>>>>> what has been the standard ethical guideline regarding the use of
>>>>>> photoshop
>>>>>> - only do to the image in photoshop what you would normally have
>>>>>> done in a
>>>>>> darkroom; or only except from a photoshopped image what you would
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> accepted from the darkroom. But if today's photographers think a
>>>>>> darkroom is
>>>>>> their bedroom with the lights off....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/12/06 1:11 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dodging? That's the 7th down from the 2nd row of 'tools', right?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just adding a ;-) to be sure.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:05 heeft Rei Shinozuka het volgende
>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> it's a very handsome photo otherwise, maybe dodging the
>>>>>>>> surrounding
>>>>>>>> areas would rescue the image.  (doesn't the phrase "dodging"
>>>>>>>> today sound almost quaint?)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> i have noticed that something approaching 100% of real-life "bad
>>>>>>>> bokeh"
>>>>>>>> examples are of vegetation; mostly tree branches or leaves.  so
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> those bad bokesters away from wildlife!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -rei
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/06 12:39 PM, "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well Daniel, with such subject matter one can tolerate many
>>>>>>>>>> things...but
>>>>>>>>>> that bokeh is indeed not very attractive.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people puke at my Rolleicord's bokeh (under certain
>>>>>>>>>>> circumstances ... close focus, pretty much wide-open).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dlridings.se/gallery/v/informal/
>>>>>>>>>>> v15-0002-43264.jpg.html
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
>>>>>>>> Ridgewood, New Jersey
>>>>>>>> 
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