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Subject: [Leica] A 1976 AP photo of Justice J.P. Stevens
From: passaro.vince at gmail.com (Vince Passaro)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:34:38 -0400
References: <r2l19b6d42d1004152039oc8b46606v93ede9edd950060a@mail.gmail.com> <C6A61E41-7AE2-4AAB-B566-466372271B99@charter.net> <60B21ED0-F859-4C3B-9762-7F804E785D14@frozenlight.eu> <B584370A-C434-4990-B13B-17944C026DF6@charter.net> <h2p19b6d42d1004152247we7674acev4ea420f7b17e49da@mail.gmail.com> <B14D8413-CCB0-4261-955A-AC12CE9AEDBD@charter.net>

I thought that too. He was probably given five minutes. I still like it.
V

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:30 AM, slobodan Dimitrov
<s.dimitrov at charter.net>wrote:

> I collect wire photos, especially the ones dealing with Labor.
> So I know what you're saying has some grounding in reality.
> But even by those standards, this image is a disaster.
> By the way, AP, TIME, etc., do not give up rights on an image, ever, and
> never.
>
> The only revelation I see here, is that the photographer got punked by an
> uncooperative subject.
> It's the kind of image that a novice would make when confronted by a
> difficult sitter.
>
> When one is out on a shoot, there's the best case scenario and worse case
> scenario. For each you have a plan, plan A, plan B, etc., and that's coming
> in cold. For this shot, there had to be prior notification.  A lot of going
> back and forth over his schedule. All that busy stuff that an assigning
> editor had to do to set it up. In the image you're showing us, I don't 
> think
> Stevens gave the photog more than a minute. I don't think the photographer
> had any plan either, judging by the shot.
> If you look in the AP style manual, it addresses such a situation.
> Obviously the camera operator did not read it.
> S.d.
>
> On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>
> > What flare in which corner?
> >
> > Do you guys know how AP photographs worked? They came in over the wire
> and
> > were recomposed at the paper; that print  then is kept in a library (at
> some
> > papers) until being digitized, probably in like 1997, badly; you're so
> far
> > from whatever the original was to discuss its sharpness is silly. If the
> > image came last week from AP directly that too is how it would have
> > survived; it's only marginally possible that anyone worked with the
> original
> > print again after it went out over the wires in 1976. But I suspect this
> was
> > in the Times' library and then digitized because I believe AP's photo
> > library was sold to Bettman or Getty at some point so if the image had
> been
> > bought last week it wouldn't have said "AP" I don't think. I could be
> wrong
> > on that front however.
> >
> > In any case you ain't looking at it like human bein' . A thousand more
> > technically correct headshots wouldn't reveal the man in quite this way,
> or
> > at all, and I happened to look at a lot of them in the wake of becoming
> > interested in this photograph.  He was superficially a dull man and not
> easy
> > to "find" but this picture does -- in part by getting (literally)
> underneath
> > him. It's beautifully composed.
> >
> > Nathan I figured out the "flare" you indicated. If that were flare it
> would
> > mean the trash can was on fire. It's not flare; it's damage to the print.
> > The light's coming fron entirely the other direction.
> >
> > You guys better not go to the HCB show at MoMA. A lot of his pictures
> aren't
> > so sharp either.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:17 AM, slobodan Dimitrov
> > <s.dimitrov at charter.net>wrote:
> >
> >> It's from the very worst period in photography, when the 35mm SLR
> >> manufactures jammed the public with their trash.
> >> S.d.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> >>
> >>> That was my reaction to it as well. Unsharp, lots of flare in the
> corner.
> >>>
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
> >>> Nathan Wajsman
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:57 AM, slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You're kidding, right?
> >>>> It's a hideous image!
> >>>> S.d.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This picture ran on the front page of the New York Times the day
> after
> >>>>> Stevens announced his resignation.  They still have it on the lens
> >> blog.
> >>>>> It's an uncredited AP photo. I like it a lot, I think it's a great
> >>>>> photograph. I wonder what others think, and, specifically, what size
> >> lens
> >>>>> people think it was taken with. I'm thinking 35mm or even 28mm and
> >> cropped
> >>>>> but I don't know nothin'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People's reactions would be of great interest to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's the url:
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/04/09/us/20100409-stevens-slideshow_index.html?ref=politics
> >>>>>
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