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Subject: [Leica] Photoshop Altamont -- some questions for the wisdom ofthe LUG.
From: passaro.vince at gmail.com (Vince Passaro)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:16:00 -0400
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Got it.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> often works to downsize to 800-1000 pixel jpeg on the longest side.....
>
> then upload,
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>
> > Did I say GIF? I meant TIFF.
> >
> > Actually in my upload software (it's a windows 'wizard') there's an
> option
> > for downsizing the images which i should remember to use. I may re upload
> > these to see the difference. Thanks for hte advice.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Vince,
> >>
> >> Sounds like you have received some good advice on the RAW conversions.
>  I
> >> have never tried posting GIF images to the LUG gallery, but they seem to
> >> have worked ok.  I normally post either JPG or TIFF images.  I have
> found
> >> that I get best results by sizing the images to 700 or 800 pixels on the
> >> long dimension.  Your flower image appears to be 4000 pixels on the long
> >> side, and, when the gallery software resizes it to fit the normal screen
> >> size, you get a very soft image.  Enlarging the image using the "double
> >> square" at the top or bottom gives the full size that was uploaded,
> which
> >> cannot be viewed as a whole. You might also experiment with removing the
> >> default size info in the second edit option block, so that your chosen
> size
> >> is displayed as you uploaded it.  I find that they look better that way.
> >>
> >> Good luck in mastering all of these options.  I find it has been worth
> my
> >> while to do so.
> >>
> >> Jim Nichols
> >> Tullahoma, TN USA
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Passaro" <
> >> passaro.vince at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Photoshop Altamont -- some questions for the wisdom
> >> ofthe LUG.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> am doing so. many thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Steve Barbour <
> steve.barbour at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> yes, now for CS4 try Adobe Camera Raw 5.6 support for G1...download and
> >>>> install, should work OK,
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 22, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I fooled around until far far too late an hour last night and learned
> >>>> some
> >>>>> things, one of which is CS4 can't open G1 raw files. Further, when I
> >>>> opened
> >>>>> a few G1 jpegs in CS4 Camera Raw and messed around with them -- I
> even
> >>>>> taught myself how to use lasso tool, how to smooth out my terrible
> >>>> efforts
> >>>>> with lasso tool, and reduce the glare on a particular portion of my >
> >>>> photo
> >>>>> that had light bouncing off some glass -- these files saved as
> anywhere
> >>>> from
> >>>>> 25MB to 60 (!!!) MB in size. To mount them on the lug gallery I had
> to
> >>>> save
> >>>>> for web, which made them into 5MB tiff files but also stripped away >
> >>>> some
> >>>>> layers of the work I'd done and rendered what had been clear and deep
> >
> >>>> now
> >>>>> noisy and fake looking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I posted them anyway for your helpful comments and instructions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/toast+eatin_+bog+man/Photoshop+Altamont/
> >>>> .
> >>>>> Two 'Photoshopped" files and one prior for comparison.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Meanwhile, I went looking for why CS4 could nae open me wee G1 raw >
> >>>> files,
> >>>>> and so found an Adobe update/patch to download (Camera Raw 5.2, equiv
> >
> >>>> to
> >>>>> whats in the LR 2.2 beta I believe), downloaded it, but also read the
> >>>>> following asterisk which I wonder if one of you might take a stab at
> >>>>> explaining to me. It appears to indicate that the D-Lux-4 and various
> >>>>> Panasonic models (two of which I own, happy me) have a proprietary
> raw
> >>>>> program which Adobe cannot really deal with yet so they advise one
> not,
> >>>> for
> >>>>> now. If one does, files will be three times the size of other
> converted
> >>>> raw
> >>>>> files... because of a tripling of the mosaicing or demosaicing or >
> >>>> however
> >>>> it
> >>>>> works. Any comments on this wil be MOST helpful. Here's the text:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> **With the release of Camera Raw 5.2 (and upcoming release of Adobe
> >>>>> Photoshop? Lightroom? 2.2), there is an important exception in DNG
> file
> >>>>> handling for the Panasonic DMC-LX3, Panasonic DMC-FX150, Panasonic
> >>>> DMC-FZ28,
> >>>>> Panasonic DMC-G1, and Leica D-LUX 4. For those who choose to convert
> >>>> these
> >>>>> native, proprietary files to the DNG file format, a linear DNG format
> >
> >>>> is
> >>>> the
> >>>>> only conversion option available at this time. A linear DNG file has
> >
> >>>> gone
> >>>>> through a demosaic process that converts a single mosaic layer of
> red,
> >>>>> green, and blue channel information into three distinct layers, one
> for
> >>>> each
> >>>>> channel. The resulting linear DNG file is approximately three times
> the
> >>>> size
> >>>>> of a mosaic DNG file or the original proprietary file format.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This exception is a temporary solution to help ensure that
> Panasonic's
> >>>> and
> >>>>> Leica's intended image rendering from their proprietary raw file
> format
> >>>> is
> >>>>> applied to an image when converted DNG files are viewed in
> third-party
> >>>>> software titles. The same image-rendering process is applied
> >>>> automatically
> >>>>> in Camera Raw 5.2 and Photoshop Lightroom 2.2 when viewing the
> original
> >>>>> proprietary raw file format.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a future release, Adobe plans to update the DNG specification to
> >>>> include
> >>>>> an option to embed metadata-based representations of the lens
> >>>> compensations
> >>>>> in the DNG file, allowing a mosaic DNG conversion. In the interim, >
> >>>> Adobe
> >>>>> recommends only converting these files to DNG to allow compatibility
> >
> >>>> with
> >>>>> third-party raw converters, previous versions of the Camera Raw >
> >>>> plug-in,
> >>>> or
> >>>>> previous versions of Photoshop Lightroom.*
> >>>>> .
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
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