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Subject: [Leica] Re: OT - another horror story about photos and the Patriot Act
From: frankandaubrey at mindspring.com (Frank Farmer)
Date: Mon Jul 12 07:43:53 2004

Eric,

"Believe it or not, most police officers are people just like the rest of us.
They have a job to do and a paycheck to earn.  Not nearly a big enough
paycheck for having to carry a gun and be a target."

I couldn't agree more.  In fact, I have many pals on the force around here. 
However,
while I understand the need to follow up on tips given, the manner in which 
many 
proceed with this task is less than comforting.  Or, technically, legal.  
While, one should 
take Ian's story with a grain of salt - afterall, I've never met him and 
just thought I'd add
his to a long list of stories already discussed here relative to this topic 
- it seems that 
his story is far more believable now than I would have found it prior to 
9/11.  The fact is,
even if they had reasonable suspicion to subject him to a "terry stop" that 
suspicion was
dispelled after the purpose of his photos and assignment, etc., etc. were 
ascertained by 
the cops.  One may also remember that, according to the story, he DID seek 
permission
from the park rangers prior to taking photos.  If I recall correctly, they 
chatted about
photography.  So, to the good boys and girls who wear blue everyday - good 
on you.  Just
don't forget your bedside manner.  And the fact that civil rights apply to 
everyone - don't 
trample them.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric <ericm@pobox.com>
Sent: Jul 10, 2004 9:27 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Leica] Re: OT - another horror story about photos and the Patriot  
   Act

Frank:

>See Ian Spiers' account of his interation with several local and federal 
>law enforcement
>agents while trying to complete his 'motion' assignment for his photography 
>class.  Scary
>disgusting.
>
>http://www.brownequalsterrorist.com/artiststatement/

Here's what I read:

Some busybody without a life of his own noticed the guy out taking pictures
and notes of the locks.  He phoned the police.

Given a tip and the current political situation, the police followed up.
Ian wasn't arrested.  Wasn't handcuffed.  Wasn't hauled down to the police
station.  Questioned.

If the police hadn't followed up the report of suspicious behavior, and
something happened to the locks, I'm fairly confident that previously
mentioned busybody would be calling the papers and shouting to anybody who
would listen, "I tried to warn the police!"

What did the police do that was wrong?

I've had the local police follow up on a tip and come pay me a visit.
Nothing earth shattering.  Just a misunderstanding by somebody not minding
his own business.  I invited the officer into my home, and we chatted.  He
played with my German Shepherd pup and gave me some tips from his experience
with them.  Given what the misunderstanding was, the police were obligated
to check me out.

Believe it or not, most police officers are people just like the rest of us.
They have a job to do and a paycheck to earn.  Not nearly a big enough
paycheck for having to carry a gun and be a target.  I wouldn't want to do
it.  :)

--
Eric
http://canid.com/

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