Re: [Leica] The Americans, Avedon, etc

[Andrew Schroter <schroter@optonline.net>]

I assert that @ 600MM viewing your distance is far enough from the object
for your "measurement" to affect it.  Try taking that 600mm photo from 2
feet in the middle of a play. SPLAT!!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Gil" <dtt2150@yahoo.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] The Americans, Avedon, etc


> The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies only to
> very small quantities.  It doesn't apply to large
> systems.  The principle that works for large systems
> and the interaction of large energy fields with other
> objects or persons has not been formalize yet.  My
> 600mm pointed at a football player down field does not
> effect the play.  Now if I want to fill the frame with
> my 21mm, we can discus.
>
> mg
>
> --- Andrew Schroter <schroter@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Perhaps what the reader of the book or the viewer in
> > the gallery see is what
> > the world looks like from the point of view of the
> > photographer and how the
> > world reacts to the photographer.  Avedon, in his
> > introduction to "In the
> > American West", writes "There are times when I speak
> > and times when I do
> > not, times when I react too strongly and destroy the
> > tension that is the
> > photograph."    This is an example of the Heisenberg
> > Uncertainty Principle
> > at work. (See
> >
> http://www.honors.unr.edu/~fenimore/wt202/close/#principle)
> > if
> > you don't get my drift.  Photographers, the closer
> > they come to their
> > subjects, the more the subject is affected.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harold Gess" <Harold.Gess@btinternet.com>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:59 PM
> > Subject: [Leica] The Americans, Avedon, etc
> >
> >
> > > I have been following the thread on photographers
> > and the truth or
> > otherwise
> > > of what they show.
> > >
> > > I think that we must remember that each of us
> > carries with us our own
> > > experience, vision, ideology, and set of interests
> > or agenda with us.
> > >
> > > Some of us might go to a country and photograph it
> > from one point of view,
> > > others from another. We each see what we want to
> > see. That does not make
> > our
> > > images illegitimate or a lie. It does not make
> > them a balanced view
> > either.
> > >
> > > I might go out and photograph Paris and seek out
> > the lovers, the artists,
> > > the coffee shops, the romance of paris, people
> > enjoying the spring and
> > call
> > > my book "Parisians". Somebody else might go out
> > and photograph the drug
> > > scene, the poverty which exists in some areas, the
> > night workers, the
> > > prostitutes, etc and call their book "Parisians".
> > A third photographer
> > might
> > > take the same title and photograph office workers,
> > religious figures,
> > > politicians and shopkeepers.
> > >
> > > None of the three books is an accurate view of
> > Paris. Does it matter? Each
> > > is an experience, a vision of Paris. Each is
> > legitimate but none is a
> > > complete view. Nobody will ever produce a complete
> > and balanced view.
> > >
> > > I think it is much more important to view what is
> > being said and to accept
> > > that that is how someone saw, or chose to see, the
> > situation or place,
> > > rather than to try and quantify whether it is an
> > accurate portrayal of our
> > > own experience of the same place.
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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